Public sentiment on the Israel-Lebanon conflict is sharply divided, with notable support for Israel's right to defend itself against perceived threats, while simultaneously expressing significant criticism of Israel's military tactics and concern for the suffering of Lebanese civilians. Many comments reflect a longing for peace, but skepticism about its feasibility is prevalent, as entrenched positions on both sides fuel ongoing frustration. Historical grievances and complex regional dynamics further complicate perspectives.

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Hopefully someone with more specific knowledge than I chimes in but it has a lot to do with Hezbollah being an extremely sophisticated and well armed, well trained group. They aren't the "sandals and AKs" insurgents of Iraq or Afghanistan; they have high quality training and support from Iran and even Russia (Hezbollah sent forces to be trained by Russians in Syria and get combat experience in that war).

At Wadi Saluki, Hezbollah was well equipped with Sagger and Kornet ATGMs in defensive positions. It was really good defensive terrain being a valley surrounded by high ground that Hezbollah was dug into.

The plan called for Israeli infantry to clear the high ground of threats so armor could move into the valley. They were to have artillery support. What happened was that Israeli infantry was ineffective at clearing the high ground and artillery was hesitant to fire on the enemy because of the risk of friendly fire. The infantry, armor and artillery all lost cohesion with the infantry unable to support the tanks, the tanks not knowing where the infantry was and taking heavy ATGM fire, and the artillery unwilling to fire without knowing the positions of friendly forces.

Hezbollah was well dug in and fanatical in their willingness to fight, and also well equipped and trained. As sophisticated as Hamas has proven themselves to be Hezbollah is so much more sophisticated that in at least one engagement in 2006 IDF thought they'd gotten into a friendly fire exchange with Israeli special forces. 

Hezbollah had also dug tunnels throughout the operational area that enabled them to evade initial sweeps and then reoccupy positions thought cleared.

The response from Israel post-war was to improve interoperability between arms and invest in active protection systems for armor. Their most recent conflict was heavily informed by the 2006 experience with Israel preferring an indirect opening move with the pager affair and specifically targeting Hezbollah missile and rocket caches before they could be employed.

proquo

There is a roughly 80 page report on the Israeli failure that the Americans published at Leavenworth. It’s kind of the only source I have on the issue but here’s a few points worth considering:
1. Politics: Israeli air strikes against Lebanese civilians received global condemnation and pressure.
2. Air power: the IDF thought air power would be more decisive than it was (which we have seen before).
3. Command: ground operations were led by an IAF officer iirc and his orders were a goobledigook of corporate newspeak that lower commands literally did not understand.
4. Hostages: IDF troops captured by Hezbollah limited offensive options and intensity in Lebanon (whereas in 2024 the IDF was able to go all in against Hezbollah). Finally,
5. Poor training: IDF forces were basically occupation troops lacking in field craft and tactical training. They were not able to adapt to complex Hezbollah fortifications and tactics.

In sum, Israel ineffectively bashed against Lebanon and incurred heavy losses for no gains and lots of political losses. However, it does seem obvious that IDF learned from this defeat. If memory is right they lost less men in their border fights and invasion of Lebanon going back to October 8 2023 than they lost in a month in the summer of 2006, while mortally wounding Hezbollah.

Damo_Banks

I don't know if I'd go as far as to consider it a 'failure', as that is a matter dependent upon the political objectives of the conflict, but there are no doubts that things did not go as well as planned and that there were individual failings within the campaign. One big issue was that the Israelis went into the fight underestimating Hesbullah (which itself had changed doctrine since the previous notable conflict in 2000). However, once the Israelis figured out that they were actually a pretty reasonably equipped and motivated force, they became far more circumspect. The last couple of days of the conflict were far more successful for Israel than the initial punch in the face they received in the early days. In fairness, not the first time Israel adapted on the fly.

u/Damo_Banks  proposes five points, all of which are reasonably fair though I would tweak a couple of them.The Leavenworth document he refers to is probably this one. [https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/we-were-caught-unprepared.pdf](https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/we-were-caught-unprepared.pdf)

With respect to item 3, this document is fairly excoriating. [https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA515328.pdf](https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA515328.pdf)

*"SOD (systemic operational design) theory was greatly influenced by the writings of the French postmodern philosophers, specifically Gilles Deleuze (1925–1995) and Felix Guattari (1930–1992) and, to a lesser extent, Jean-Francois Lyotard (1924–1998), Jean Baudrillard (1929–2007), and Paul Virilio (b. 1932). \[...\] After several alterations and revisions, the new IDF doctrine was endorsed by Air Force lieutenant general and chief of the defense staff Dan Halutz in April 2006. Reportedly, even General Halutz did not understand the new doctrine that he signed.* 

*\[...\]*

*During the Lebanon conflict in July 2006, the major problem the IDF had with SOD was the new terminology and methodology. It was questionable whether the majority of IDF officers could grasp a design that Naveh proclaimed was “not easy to understand . . . because \[it is\] not intended for ordinary mortals.” Many officers found the entire SOD concept elitist. Other officers could not understand why the old system of simple orders and terminology was replaced by one that few could understand. For example, new terms such as strategic directive, strategic purpose, system boundary, operational boundaries, campaign organizing theme, and rival system rationale were overused in place of traditional military terms. Units were ordered to “render the enemy incoherent,” make the enemy feel “distress” or “chased down,” or “achieve standoff domination of the theatre.” The new vocabulary was heavily drawn from French postmodern philosophy, literary theory, architecture, and psychology. Because of its cryptic character, it is hardly surprising that not every officer in the IDF had the time or inclination to study this philosophy"*

This SOD, which comes under "Effects based operations" is what led to the doctrine which emphasised air attacks, which of course weren't as successful as proponents had advertised as per Damo's Item 2.

The_Chieftain_WG

To be more specific, you’re interested in their relationship between 1948 and 1970, correct?

Iamnotanorange

Lebanon was officially aligned with the Arab League. So I think the border was closed since the 1st Israeli Arab war. However usually Lebanon's participation in wars was symbolic and conditions were relatively stable which allowed for Lebanon to prosper. The Jewish population in Lebanon increased in the 50ies reaching its peak but they were vulnerable and they all found better future in Israel or elsewhere eventually.

Of course it all changed when the Lebanese government allowed parts of the country to become a base for PLO to launch terrorist attacks and other operations and soon many others would want to join the party.

So there wasn't that much of a "relationship" actually.

victoryismind

Not good. But also Lebanon wasn’t much of a threat to Israel militarily so it didn’t matter.

In fact Lebanon the state was never a military threat. So I will reword it to say we just didn’t have militias. Even in 1967, Lebanon’s involvement was on the defensive end

Material-Gear-9733

Pretty calm. People used to call the Lebanese border "the good fence" for needing the least milatry activity

yoav_boaz

Not much news means not much war, events or clahes. Back then the power in Lebanon was in the hand of lebanese christians who are much frienldier to israel than the arabs and muslims (Christians consider themselves a minority in the arab world and have the same feeling israel has towards the arabs, which also helps bringing them closer together)


Hopefully those peaceful days are about to come back, if israel and the Lebanese government play their cards right, and if Hezbollah keeps making mistakes.

TallFriend275

Dude don't get it the wrong way, but I don't think anyone here is older than 55. Who the fuck knows? Most of us were at most barely alive at the time.

LLFauntelroy

Hezbollah is a literal curse upon Lebanon

ab_ence

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Weird because facts indicate Hezbollah did a pretty good job fending off the Zionist jackals in 2006.

Magicmurlin

How it looks from the Israeli side: Almost since the end of 82 lebanon war (ended on 89), Israel is not interested in concurring Lebanon land. 
The millitarry presence until 2000 was called "security zone" israel believed it would provide security to the Israeli northern border.
After the exit at 2000, when the border was quiet, no leader had talked about going back to lebanon. Even the extreme nationalists leaders never said anything like that.
In 2006, Hizballa ambushed killed and kidnapped bodies of 3 soldiers, and it then shelled the whole border with morters.
This is the only reason for the 2006 eacelation and war, nothing else.

RoundLifeItIs

donchuknowimloko

two things can be true at the same time:

HA is a militia 

Israel is an aggressor

They know how to go to Aleppo and repress any Lebanese attempt to build a stable democracy and somehow they seem to get lost on their way to Israel. Wishing the Lebanese republic all the best.

هي حال شرق المتوسط كلو ... المنطقة صار بدها تعزيل .. لبنان سوريا الأردن العراق  مصيرنا واحد شو ماسوينا وشو ماقلنا وإن حبينا بعض أو لا ... عقلية القطيع والقائد الواحد والحزب الواحد ماعد تمشي .. مو بس ماعد تمشي لابل جابت آخرتنا ... يلي رح يجنن أنو شو فينا نسوي ؟ مين لسا فارق معو يسوي شي .. يوم عن يوم الهزيمة عم تاكل من عقلي شقفة والعجز والغباء والجحشنة والخنزرة يلي عم تصير عم تخليني أكره الأرض يلي جابتهن ... كرهتونا حالنا والله .

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Balabalewa

ZookeepergameAgile71

Does anyone know what launchers are they holding? This stuff looks very high tech

Ghost09870

Girl: he is definitely cheating on me

Him:

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lionbarz

During previous wars Israel had as many allies as enemies in Lebanon. Why would anyone care if they cross the border?

Account created a few weeks ago. 200 karma. Name looks like it was generated by ai to look like a normal prophoenicia leb person. Astroturfing as a Leb person and advocating for peace and surrender to isr. Totally legit. Good morning glowie federal agent. Get back to twitter this is cia territory

jesusvsaquaman

Hezbollah legit fought the US and Israel ON THEIR OWN, they are NOW corrupt, but they used to be soldiers who wanted to keep their country free from influence and corruption.

They have become the very thing they want to destroy.

LORD_124

Can someone fill us in as to who are those milita and where are they heading?

soufianka80

I think even banana republic’s don’t do this kind of videos anymore. What are they trying to prove? That there is no law in Lebanon, that they are above the law, overcompensating for their small dicks ….

And10gen

I FOKIN DEMAND France to fucking colonize us again. Knock some sense into this fucking county

Hyper_Maro

Posted by an Israel supporter? No side in the conflict but Reddit is kind of just bs propaganda

fibonnaci987

Israel wel be always our enemy her plan is to have the all medil east her flag the 2 blue lines means the first river of fourat the second line is the river of nil and don t forget how she kill us . The problem is the people want that and it s obviously clear after the election

3medos

Praise Jesus someone else said it. I thought eventually i was the one who has to say it

Yeah, the Christians helped the Israelis against PLO back in the days I was born in Lebanon, 1974  all I could say Lebanon, a.k.a. little Paris, was one of the best places to visit and they still do. They just need to cut all the bullshit. and most importantly they have to revamp and change the political system 100%.

OkSnow5770

Possible_Basil_5331

When the us and Israel attacked Lebanon, it was Hezbollah who defended the cities, the Lebanon military had the majority of its soldiers flee.

HEZ is a militia, I know it, I don’t support them, but when your neighbor hates you as much as you hate him, it might be better to keep them.

Can someone explain to me what is happening? I've been seeing videos of military and special forces stuff and I'm really confused

plutodisc

I guess no one taught them trigger finger discipline. I was watching nervously.

Zackory

Israel isn’t the problem at all, israel conflict is a joke and a diversion just to keep the people numb (like football in egypt) i used to be very proud of my people and my country but damn it it’s disgusting nowadays like wtf is happening to Beirut and it’s suburbs and why tf lebanese are following the ones who’re ruining their children future and ancestors legacy! I don’t understand it 
I know for sure that lebanese people just love to showoff and we had all the right to do so (50s-90s) but with this new era of shitty governments and shitty parties we have no right to showoff before we start fixing again

I feel so sad to see north african countries getting developed so fast and Saudi Arabia sending women to space while our women are either doing plastic surgeries (and looking for men with money) or wearing the iranian hijab (i mean the whole mentality)

We’re definitely going backwards and we still believe there’s a fight with israel .. lol people are so numb in Lebanon, it’s turning to be like Nigeria.. a country full of resources but dumb people with shitty politicians

Azygous-_-

men nik ekhton la israel shu aam tekhra 😂😂

Wizard_of_this_world

We do stand a chance.  Remember that every war won by muslims in history, the muslims were outnumbered

CreativeScratch

When you say “dragged” into another war with Israel you mean, another Israeli invasion of Lebanon correct?

LoL Israel doesn't stand a chance against Hezbollah, let alone all of Lebanon.

Expensive-Time7035

Looks like it could be a scene from super troopers

JAMBI215

SNiPEZ25

Bubbly_Tomorrow_2499

Wtf these are American rocket launchers ?

Crollo_s

xMOSde55

Cha3ib Khara, balad Khara, all of them Shia w Christians and everyone in between. Paris of Middle East? More like shit hole of Middle East

Dejamletsjam

كرهنا الاحزاب والطائفية خلو لبنان للجميع بدون سياسة وطائفة بدنا نعيش بسلام😭🙏

KindAd5318

this being an unpopular opinion is a problem istelf

Warchildthewarrior

ومين قال ان لبنان عرب ؟ لبنان خليط اعاجم وفرنسيين لكن مع قرب الدول العربيه لها وايام الخلافه اكتسبوا اللغه العربيه ولا هم لاعلاقه لهم بالعرب اصلا وحتى المسلمين فيهم شيعه قليل جداااا اهل سنه .. واللي مسلم صح اسلم لنفسه لاينفع احد ولا يضر احد غير نفسه .. ملحوظه اخيره.. تخبطات اسرائيل ووقوف فئه بجانبها لن يضر الاسلام شيئا وهم يعلمون انهم لن تقوم لهم قائمه كما وعدنا الله وستكون نهايتهم على يدنا ونذكرهم عندما يهربون خلف الاشجار وتقول الشجره هذا يهودي خلفي فتعال فقتله هههههه.. وهم يزرعون الشجر التي اخبرنا عنها النبي صل الله عليه وسلم وهي شجره الغرقد ويجهزونها لمثل ذلك اليوم لانهم يعلمون صدق النبي صل الله عليه وسلم وصدق القرآن ولكنهم ينكرون الحق 😊

ElevatorNo1591

Yep like your fate is to still wait for your father after he went to buy milk

RefrigeratorNo5086

This been happening since Lebanon let the muslim shitters in

Yea the guy who posted this doesnt deserve to be called lebanese (if he or she is) ya 3ayb el shoom

coyotet555

Are these Hezbollah fighters in the video? (Forgive me, I don't understand Arabic so don't know what's being said)

Dangerous_Pop3699

Hopefully Hezbollah gets involved to push israel out of Palestines lands

Worldnewslikeswar

jessticks6868

All i am concerned in this scene...is the type of weaponry they carry...strange over the shpulder type of launchers...is someone can help identinfying it plz..and if i can be send one ....or TWO...just for educational purposes...and archive related papers....... 🙄🙄😔😔🤘🤘

Burger_kinkk

Hezbollah is what push Shitzrael out of Lebanon.

pekaywi

Can't get any more Shiite than that 🤣.
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